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Peter Ladner, I like you - please run as an independent

Peter Ladner, I like you - please run as an independent

By samanthaorwell on March 27, 2008 - 1:42pm

READ full post HERE:
http://thevancouvermanifesto.blogspot.com/2008/03/peter-ladner-i-like-yo...

The Vancouver Sun columnist and blogger Miro Cernetig wrote a lovely piece that suggested a debate against Coucillor Peter Ladner and Sam Sullivan. I am very much in support of this idea.

TheVancouverManifesto, as you may know, lies pretty liberal when it comes to politics. But I’m just going to put it out there: If Peter Ladner represented the NPA against Vision and COPE candidates I would vote for him. In struggling to explain myself to my lefty friends, Miro Cernetig explains it beautifully

After years in the game, Peter Ladner is learning something new about himself and politics.
He's an ideas guy at heart, an introspective sort. He likes the thinking part of city politics, the mulling over of policy -- whether it's the big stuff, such as making Vancouver a high-tech city, or the small, smart stuff, say putting a better bicycle lane over a bridge to downtown.
Here's the problem. As he challenges Mayor Sam Sullivan for their civic party's nomination, Ladner's now caught in the nasty grind of machine politics.

I have seen enough of Ladner to know he is a stand up guy. He is engaged in the community and often shows his face on panel presentations on city ideas. Out of city hall he has proven himself an intelligent, engaged and concerned citizen.

IN city hall he has done the same. Throughout EcoDensity debates he has been an ideas man, supporting the idea of EcoDensity but probably not supporting the process of EcoDensity. The Tyee wrote an article on a confrontation between Ladner and a citizen presenting to coucil during the EcoDensity public hearings:

With Vancouver's city councillors listening, a citizen of upper Kitsilano took the lectern and offered a plea against the controversial Eco-Density Charter. The gist of his complaint: Eco-densification has so far been a rash, hasty and seemingly undemocratic process.
Then councillor and mayoral hopeful Peter Ladner posed one simple question: What ideal outcome would you envision for the Vancouver of the future?
Mr. Upper Kits replied something about wanting a city nurtured by a grassroots process and community input and . . .
"Let's just leave process out of it for the moment," clarified Ladner. "What outcome do you want?"
An outcome that is formed by the views and needs of residents . . .
"Not process -- outcome," repeated Ladner, his voice growing crisp.
The now-stammering presenter wound up his manifesto not with a bang but a whimper. He seemed to know what kind of process he wanted, but not what kind of outcome

The point is not to show Ladner can shut people up- but to prove the point that most people who oppose EcoDensity don’t oppose the plan itself (number 12 on the DTES notwithstanding), they just oppose the PROCESS and Sullivan’s knack for being a publicity whore and trying to patent the name “EcoDensity” for his own fame.

Ladner is decisive and knows a good idea when he hears one. The problem is that he can’t CHAMPION that idea with the proper PROCESS because of party politics, or what Cernetig refers to as machine politics.

Even on the issue of widening to Burrard Bridge for bike lanes (rather than allocating the side lanes to preserve the beauty and heritage of the bridge), Ladner had to stay, officially, mum. In a head to head debate Ladner would no doubt be able to prove that he is a strong advocate for the city of Vancouver. I believe Ladner would be an incredible Leader and we need to separate his Leadship ability from NPA party politics.

Which brings me to my plea- Peter Ladner, please run as an independent. You are much too talented to be gagged by a party that is holding you back.

READ MORE: http://www.thevancouvermanifesto.blogspot.com/

Submitted by Ray on March 27, 2008 - 5:44pm.

Sometime between 427 and 348 BC, Plato offered this observation about politics:
"Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed
by those who are dumber."

On the other hand, good old Anonymous said, "If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal."

The comedian Gallagher said, "You couldn't get the Ten Commandments through Congress if
Moses was buying the drinks."

Peg Bracken asks, "Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut
save you 30 cents?"

Lastly, Mortimer Caplin tells us, "There is one difference between a tax collector and
a taxidermist; the taxidermist leaves the hide."

(The above from Roy L. Stewart's little book, "Quotations with an Attitude".)

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Submitted by theUglyChineseCanadian (not verified) on March 29, 2008 - 9:46am.

Samantha,

I agree with your views on Peter. I have always liked Peter... as he has always made an effort to speak to me regarding any and all issues relating to our City. In the early days, when Sam Sullivan was a councilor , he too had my respect. But after Sam became Mayor, something happened ...it may have been his fear of losing the top job that made him insular.

In any case, the whole Ecodensity debate is a bit lop sided, when only one side of the discussion is highlighted - the view from people pushing it. There are many many problems with the so-called ecodensity. For one thing, it's not new. We (the lower mainland Metro region) has embraced this for decades. It is also not a balanced approach. The cultural, social and transportation components have been played down. This is what makes there so-called "Tricycle" approach work... but read carefully - there's nothing about Arts and Culture (I'm not talking about Cultural artefacts, but Performing, Visual and other Cultural elements that nourishes the soul).

I sincerely hope that the debate with Ecodensity takes on a new life when Peter Ladner becomes Mayor. So for this to happen, we, who truly love our City must figure out ways on how to make it happen.

Good luck.

tUCC

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